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Old 16th February 2010, 6:34 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I have seen BPA L1 and L2 as contract requirements, so though training and experience count for a LOT sometimes the relevant piece of paper helps too.
The BPA L1 and L2 are firer and lead firer respectively, the Illuminate Consult course is for insured principals of companies. Passing the IC course knocked a huge amount off my insurance quote (and I mean really huge!).

I also know an insured big company who were told by their insurers to send the top few people through the IC course. Your insurer is probable the most influential person outside the company.
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Old 16th February 2010, 7:58 PM   #22 (permalink)
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the Illuminate Consult course is for insured principals of companies
Not wishing to make a big deal about this but if what you say is correct then can I ask

a) what does the course offer that these people don't/shouldn't know already
b) why its being offered to anyone and everyone if its purpose if for that specific group?

As for BPA L1 being a contract requirement, frankly ridiculous.


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Old 16th February 2010, 8:23 PM   #23 (permalink)
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the Illuminate Consult course is for insured principals of companies
Not wishing to make a big deal about this but if what you say is correct then can I ask

a) what does the course offer that these people don't/shouldn't know already
b) why its being offered to anyone and everyone if its purpose if for that specific group?

As for BPA L1 being a contract requirement, frankly ridiculous.


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a) I cant say for the BPA but the IC course deals with a lot of regulations, Risk assessments, H&S, basics of ADR. basically how to run a display company by the book. on its own you couldn't go out and run a company but add some experience on the job, and i have found it very helpful.
at the end we got given our course manual and i can say i still look up regs or guidelines to this day and is worth the course price alone

b) when I put my name down for the course we were told from the start "this course may not be for everyone, as it was more for people who organises the display or wanted to be insured to run there own company.

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Old 16th February 2010, 9:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Why is no one naming the 'companies' that put so much stock into these qualifications? I cannot see why it would need to be a secret? If a company offers a discount for having a particular qualification let the world know!!!
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Old 16th February 2010, 9:54 PM   #25 (permalink)
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this course may not be for everyone, as it was more for people who organises the display

Interesting....... Now there are a lot of folk running Cat3 displays for their school, scout group or other community group..... I'm one of them. I'm not running a company, nor do I want to, but I am running a display. So, would the IC course be suitable for such folk - or would it be something of an overkill, going into stuff that's not needed?

The stage I'm at, I'm not sure it's for me...... I've a fair bit of experience at cat3 and cat4 levels, have run my own cat3 displays for years; I've got the insurance angle covered; I've done risk assessments for all manner of things in the past and have my fireworks one sorted - it's better than my local authority requires and might even be being adopted as the standard in another local authority! But I'm sure there's still plenty for me to learn. So maybe it would be a good course for me?

I find I'm regularly asked for advice by other groups - like the scouts and schools etc. So I'm wondering if the IC course would be suitable for those who don't yet have much experience. But if they're only running community cat3 displays, would something else be more appropriate?

I suppose what I'm looking at is the question of what training and certification is available for those running community displays - and what might become necessary as safety rules are developed in the years to come.
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Old 16th February 2010, 10:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I wouldn't envisage this course "teaching" you very much Julian, I am sure you are well versed with regards to H&S, Risk Assessments, fusing with quickmatch etc etc

As for the "company" that gives discounts on completion of this course, well that's Insurance Experts, although I can't comment on his prices (either before or after any discount) or how they compare to alternative suppliers....


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Am i right in thinking the Insurer who offers discounts is closely related with IC and therefore Highlight?
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I have no idea if they are linked with Illuminate and/or Highlight, but the insurance company referred to, but not named, in the earlier posts is Insurance Experts
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I am pretty sure they are closely related in which case they may well refer potential clients there for the courses.

I am in no way insinuating they are not worthwhile, but there may be other reasons behind the request other than general knowledge for thier insurees.

I am probably however completley wrong. But i`d just like to know if anyone can confirm this?!
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