Transport rules

[Nigh]

Thanks for the responses.

I do have an invite from Steve for an Illuminate course in March but £170 plus travelling is not easy to find for a non-profit group like ourselves.

From the various replies it sounds like we are already doing the right things for the sort of loads we carry. My greatest worry is, as suggested by Arthur, being caught out by some regulation I was not aware of.

The comment about insurance costs is interesting. Our insurers have inspected our container & checked our internal training and PPE records but have never asked for proof of any external qualification.

[»PureParty]

I am thinking that Arthur was talking about single event insurance, rather than year round insurance for professional displays.

[GTATTY]

I'd a lot of the answers come close to your definitive answer. I'd say do your research on the ADR website or speak with a BPA registered company possibly.

TREM cards don't exist anymore.

What do you carry as you say "cat1"? Do you mean class 1?

Your enquiry is covered by UK Domestic Regulations.

The UK DGR regs say you can transport 50KG of 1.1G to 1.3G or 500KG of 1.4G before you enter ADR.
ADR requires Rectangular orange plates front and rear of vehicle 400mm x 300mm wide with a 15mm black border and Plackards of 250mm each edge wide placed in diagonal axis(diamond shaped) on each side of vehicle and on rear. Under no circumstance should the signs be placed inside of vehicle whilst tansporting!

Your class 1 goods should also be in suitably marked and labeled in UN approved packagings,displaying UN Number, proper shipping name, 100mm Class 1 labels showing division and compatibility group and securely sealed, also undamaged!

If you follow full ADR you must be ADR certificated and carry your original with you whilst transporting subject to regulations.

info at

Carriage of Dangerous Goods Manual ? Regulatory environment
Introduction to the carriage of dangerous goods
SITPRO Trading Advice: Dangerous Goods Note Completion Guide

You could also make an enquiry with Chemfreight.

Just a few pointers

Hope this helps

Regards

Graham

[PDC Fireworks]

Originally Posted by PureParty

I am thinking that Arthur was talking about single event insurance, rather than year round insurance for professional displays.

no in my case this this wasn't the case, the Insurance company im looking at consider the BPA as not appropriate training to run a pyro company, and the IC course was recommenced and decreased the 365 day insurance cost a lot.

[»PureParty]

actually, your first port of call could be your supplier as they should be able to inform you of the latest transport regulations etc

[»PureParty]

the Insurance company im looking at consider the BPA as not appropriate training to run a company, and the IC course decreased the 365 day insurance cost a lot.

I am suprised that any training course would be classed as appropriate for running a display company, but I guess they are the "experts"

[Nigh]

GTATTY says "If you follow full ADR you must be ADR certificated and carry your original with you whilst transporting subject to regulations" and this is something that worries me. If we try to do the right thing will we get sucked into the full ADR regime?

I found a PDF copy of the SITPRO Dangerous Goods Note here http://www.norfolkline.com/NR/rdonly...5/DGNBlank.pdf It seems like most of the fields on this form would be "Not Applicable".

This link http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/pdf/c1-loadthresh.pdf shows (on page 2) the weight limits for the placarding exemptions but I don't understand the difference between CER, ADR & TCR and which would apply. It shows that the limit for 1.1G/1.2G/1.3G UN 0333/0334/0335 Fireworks is 20kg under ADR, 50kg under TCR & 100kg under CER. I assume that this is NEQ but can't see that specifically stated.

[»PureParty]

CER = Carriage Explosive Regulations

If you are not willing/able to undergo ADR training then I suggest you speak with your supplier of 1.3G goods and get advice from them.

[strobe willow]

It shows that the limit for 1.1G/1.2G/1.3G UN 0333/0334/0335 Fireworks is 20kg under ADR, 50kg under TCR & 100kg under CER.

Under ADR 1.1G/1.2G/1.3G UN 0333/0334/0335Fireworks it is 20kg but as we transport in the UK we can use CDG (Uk domestic regs). This allows us transporting in the UK 50kg.
The table you have been looking at should have been removed from the HSE website last year.
This is where it gets complicated but very beneficial. Mixed load The NEQ of your 1.3 is multiplied by 20. Your neq of 1.4 is multiplied by 2. If the total of your 1.3 and 1.4 are below 1000kg you do not need to plate up.

For example
48kg 1.3 x 20 = 960kg
21kg 1.4 x 2 = 42kg
total 1002 need to plate up.

20kg 1.3 x 20 = 400kg
298kg 1.4 x 2 = 596kg
total 996kg no need to plate up

The only way you can do mixed loads is to separate your 1.3 from your 1.4 into different boxes. Can't have a mixed box.

[Shockwave Pyrotechnics]

You also need to keep your items in the original box they were supplied into be fully complient, eg. you cannot stick a dozen 4" shells in the same box as a dozen 5" shells unless they were supplied and classed that way
And I'm sure all ADR peeps know that we are still able to carry up to 2500kgs mixed loads of UN0335 & UN0336, and up to 7500kgs of UN0336, as in Mulitlateral Agreement M212, which you must always keep in your cab