100mm x 45m Foil Tape PLUS Cable Ties

[»Firework Crazy]

I have a access to a good source of foil tape at what appear to be very good prices.

100mm (4") from just £3 a roll, of course shipping would be extra or you can collect when your passing.

If anyone can get it cheaper that this then please, let us all know.

Also.

CABLE TIES!

I got a catalogue through the post the other day for what seemed to be an huge variety of ties.

Light Heavy Range Ties 7.6mm 120lb loop tensile strength

370mm £4.47 per 100 or £4.12 per 100 if ordering 4000
430mm £7.22 per 100 or £6.64 per 100 if ordering 2500
530mm £8.77 per 100 or £8.06 per 100 if ordering 2000

Heavy Range ties 9mm 175lb
Extra Heavy Range 12.7mm 250 lbs!

[tids]

Here?

Cable Ties 370mm x 7.6mm black | Buy Cable Ties 370mm x 7.6mm black online at THESITEBOX.COM

or if you can live with natural ones:

http://www.thesitebox.com/Product/13...m-natural.aspx

[Andy_P]

I'm not saying it about any of these particularly, but as I often rant, there are cable ties and there are cable ties....

Some of the cheap ones or the ones in "special offer deals" are really not that great, either the latches fail or they are just nowhere near as strong as you would expect.

How many of you have twisted a candle on it's frame during the clear up and been surprised at how easily all the ties just snap off?

[elmo]

good point andy, i have used cable ties which are hard to thread,snap as your pulling up tight and the "latches" let go.nine times out of ten its the cheaper ones to blame.
you get what you pay for!!!

[webcatcher]

Ditto Andy P and Elmo, cheap cable ties are a recipe for problems. the old saying comes to mind "you only get what you pay for". Not worth taking the chance of risking reputation and having a potential problem for the sake of few pence. (thats not saying that these ones are bad, but is it worth the chance)

[RocketRev]

OK..... so on that basis, it's probably a bad idea to buy many of the fireworks offered by some of our trade members at low prices and better to go buy from a local shop at top whack prices! Except that we know (from our reviews and experience) of the good performance of those low priced trade members goods compared with some of the higher priced other brand items available elsewhere.

These days I simply don't agree that you get what you pay for.

I can go to Asda or Tesco and buy some Mars Bars at a low price, or I can go to my local newsagent and buy a Mars Bar at a higher price, or I can use my trade card and buy from a wholesaler (Makro, JTF...) and buy Mars Bars at yet another price which is sometimes less than the supermarkets, sometimes more. Are the Mars Bars any different - are they any better or worse, higher or lower quality? This very week the TV news carried an item about Polo Mints - a pound shop was bringing them in from the far east at a much lower price than they could get them direct from the UK factory in Yorkshire!

So.... is the cable tie offered on the web at a low cost maybe the same as the one I can buy elsewhere at a higher cost? Different suppliers offering the same item at different mark-ups / discounts / special offers? Who knows?

[Andy_P]

Originally Posted by RocketRev

So.... is the cable tie offered on the web at a low cost maybe the same as the one I can buy elsewhere at a higher cost? Different suppliers offering the same item at different mark-ups / discounts / special offers? Who knows?

That's the problem, you never know, until you've bought thousands of the buggers....

[webcatcher]

As I said "that’s not saying that these ones are bad, but is it worth the chance" We all have a duty of safety to the crews and spectators and that should be paramount.
I think the comment about mars bars or any food product is not relevant as they are controlled by trading standards etc. you can buy a tin of Tesco value baked beans or Heinz, which cost more and which taste better and which has more in the tin and not all liquid. You can buy many types of cable tie, cheap and nasty or expensive and strong. Considering we are dealing with explosives and the possibility of a comet or candle breaking away from its ties I would like to think we would all use good quality ties, and I’ll say again "that’s not saying that these ones are bad, but is it worth the chance"
Have they been tested, how strong are they, do they go brittle when cold and do the latches hold

[elmo]

cheap can be good if you know the product(whatever it is) or you buy in bulk and get a deal

[»Skydazzle Pyrotechnics]

Considering we are dealing with explosives and the possibility of a comet or candle breaking away from its ties I would like to think we would all use good quality ties, and I’ll say again "that’s not saying that these ones are bad, but is it worth the chance"

Should you be relying on a cable tie to "secure" fireworks?? They should not be taking the main strain when it is firing, they should be just holding it in place so that the main support takes the main loading of the firework.

It is unlikely that any cable tie will prevent a candle or cake breaking free if it blows.

Many firers make the mistake of clamping a comet or candle as tight as they can using a cable tie, it will snap as it fires almost guaranteed.

It has been discussed on here many times, all the force of a firework is directly downwards though it's base so all a cable tie should be doing is holding it in place until it fires.....

The exception when a really good cable tie is needed, is if you are holding a gerb on a wheel....